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^^ yes I will look into that. Cheers

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In reply to apollo: I hear alot of people use hydroelectricity to create their own electricity in india and many other contries similar, and they get away with it. One article was saying how there are so many people seising these resources apon their land in those areas and making dams without a hole in the bottom for freshwater mussels and other sea life to keep flowing to new areas. And because of incorrect set up they created problems that were entirely preventable. Most likely the officials in US are very weary about people making damms in the wrong places, and correctly, so they ask you for a permit, if you cant obtain a permit even with a safe set up, then it is most likely they simply are preventing you from going off grid without having to buy solar. But atleast the good news in what I am saying is that there are still places where one can achieve the kind of lifestyle I am portraying, the best of which being to create a ‘green’ dam (one with a hole at the bottom and a mesh protecting the spout) apon a perfectly permanent (perrennial) mountain stream. With this method, the price to go off grid without being at all primitive is dramatically reduced. Right down to the price of 40k each between four people at two acres, or less if you have more flow than your lands worth, for example, you buy a property of three acres, but the land is niagra falls, and somehow the fact that niagra falls is on your property did not increase its value in proportion to the ammount of electricity you can create. One would be able to supply enough electricity to 600 people who can all pitch in on the cost of land. So with this example, the ”put in” of price each person has to pay decreases depending on two factors: How much people can fit on the land, and how many people can live comfortably under the roof of the ammount of electricity you can generate from a site.

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I hear alot of people use hydroelectricity to create their own electricity in india and many other contries similar, and they get away with it. One article was saying how there are so many people seising these resources apon their land in those areas and making dams without a hole in the bottom for freshwater mussels and other sea life to keep flowing to new areas. And because of incorrect set up they created problems that were entirely preventable. Most likely the officials in US are very weary about people making damms in the wrong places, and correctly, so they ask you for a permit, if you cant obtain a permit even with a safe set up, then it is most likely they simply are preventing you from going off grid without having to buy solar. But atleast the good news in what I am saying is that there are still places where one can achieve the kind of lifestyle I am portraying, the best of which being to create a ‘green’ dam (one with a hole at the bottom and a mesh protecting the spout) apon a perfectly permanent (perrennial) mountain stream. With this method, the price to go off grid without being at all primitive is dramatically reduced. Right down to the price of 40k each between four people at two acres, or less if you have more flow than your lands worth, for example, you buy a property of three acres, but the land is niagra falls, and somehow the fact that niagra falls is on your property did not increase its value in proportion to the ammount of electricity you can create. One would be able to supply enough electricity to 600 people who can all pitch in on the cost of land. So with this example, the ”put in” of price each person has to pay decreases depending on two factors: How much people can fit on the land, and how many people can live comfortably under the roof of the ammount of electricity you can generate from a site.

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Yes, if you ask me, this kind of thing can only really be accomplished by a fairly big group of people with a small ammount of money, or a small group of people with a large ammount of money, as the land needs to contain within it this permanent mountain stream. Although it is possible to aquire the same conditions at two acres, which would allow a small ammount of people with a small ammount of money (40k each) to accomplish this task, but this would be a very difficult task! One is better off to blow the government alltogether and just set up somewhere. Without any kind of intervention, apon a free earth, one could simply find this location and set up thusly. Ofcourse we cannot do that unless our team was a large portion of the earths population or something >.<. This land will need to be of perfect conditions. Aquiring permits and correctly utilising run of the river hydroelectricity apon a permanent mountain stream would deem my idea absolutely possible!

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I have very similar idea as you, and I would like to share it. I also am in need of some sound advice from people who are atleast interested in the topic.

I plan to buy land in a group of four or more situated apon a downhill mountain stream of

sufficient flow, reliability of permanence and dammability where I persue to set up a series of

dams that have a two cup tall, river wide gap at the bottom to allow the fish, mussels etc to flow

underneath a mesh protected spout. The spout directs most of the rivers flow into a small channel

coming over onto the top of a waterwheel connected to a permanent magnet alternator which generates

electricity to charge a clump of deep cycle marine batteries for periodic replacement. Further

upstream, large debris could be diverted down a different rout somehow, including any river life?

If done intelligently, carefully choosing the land, one can secure permanent free electricity at a

high rate and a low cost in comparison to solar if one utilises this concept of damming the stream

multiple times, utilising multiple wheels, along its length, with a big narrow at the bottom for

the fish, and a mesh protection for the dams spout leading to a water wheel charging a set of deep

cycle marine batteries! On top of this working permanant establishment of sufficient free electricity, one

as a team persues to establish very carefully and beautifully, a working permaculture food forest!

This food forest is established by the team, has a large diversity of fruit and nut plants along

with herbs, tobacco, tea, various hard wood trees, healing remedy plants, diverse organic foods of

all kinds at a cost of low maintenance once established, plants that need more frequent attention,

are placed closer to the house. Some of this is traded for other things, hopefully being able to

give generously. Permaculture is forest archetecture, food forest gardening. It creates a diverse

forest of food that matures very well over long time. etc etc, do some research if you have never

heard of the term ‘permaculture’! So, what do you guys think? And how likely do you think it is to

find land like this at a size of around two acres? ‘I just know thisl work though! And overcoming

any obsticles to climbing this mountain will be so worth it! No rent, free electricity, a food forest of beauty, a life time of freedom for those after you and those after them! Some advice, any? I have worked out, the rough cost to achieve this is: 40k each, four people putting 40k each in. But, the bigger the land, the more likely to find such a perfect kind of down hill mountain stream along with good food forest conditions. So the more, the better. If you ask me, the whole world should just convert to small, blissful villages like this that trade with one another. Apparently, I heard there is this new technology that is just a big glass ball of water that concentrates the suns light to shine intencely onto some very small but well equipped solar panels. With the addition of nano technology, these solar panels might be able to be made very efficient. So if that happens, then these villages can be put anywhere and everywhere, and trade with each other ^^. But until that happens, I am not going to waste any time, I am going to save up this money, and within a maximum of four years (I worked out 3 years at 200 dollers saving per week) and a minimum of one year (by working in the mines, or something), finding a team who is keen enough to save this money with me, taking a permaculture food forest course (there is one in the town i live! :) I will have the 40 or 50k I need to begin, granted that my team is saving with me, only then will it be possible within a small ammount of time, and then there is the great obsticle of finding a peice of land that is for purchase of around 2 acres that is situated apon a perrenial (permanent) mountain stream of sufficient flow and dammability… (a hard part) many obsticles to climb this mountain, But this is to be expected, the governments (provide no use whatsoever) obviously dont want us to be free living in harmony, so yes, this will be quite the mountain to climb with some of its obsticles… But what are your thoughts.

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I am amazed I am fortunate to come to the right page on this computer to read these words!

We have a lot in common!

I have figured around 40k each and I think atleast four people might be able to accomplish this…

A life of no rent ever, yet a house. A life of free electricity forever, with no bills,… Your Job: To help to tend and create and allow to thrive a Large, Beautiful, Abundant, Diverse Permaculture Food Forest. Once established , it is said to be year round abundant with low maintenance, and the diet is supreme for health as all natural organic and diverse, one day you are eating nuts, next day you find youself amongst raspberries, the next you find an underground forest of giant mushrooms etc ^^

Plus, you have the freedom to grow and sell various valuable crops including: Tobacco, weed, Healing herbs of all kinds and teas Cx

The forest will have to be done expertly and be a shining example of a functioning permaculture food forest to work well…

I need to save for atleast three years to make 40k. Then I have to find the people that will do it with me, then we must find this sacred spot on the earth which is the right canvas for our painting

So what do you think? Peoples!? Peoples?! What do you think of this concept here? :s *eagerly awaits reply

 

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:) Atleast you have things spinning

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tea, homemade cigarettes ^u^

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Would you pay 40k to have this set up for yourself? I am going to do it! But harder and undesirable to do alone, especially if it means buying land far from your friends… I will have to do it. Whoever shall join me is coming along. See this picture here? An estimate is around 40k per person. I will save for three years and climb this peak. Who’ll come along?

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Cheers, indeed we are capable of creating very beautiful things with our own freedom to paint the canvas… Ofcourse it would seem I am at the bottom the mountain… Its peak only scarcely appearing behind parted clouds. I see people digging into the mountain at our side, hoping to find peace of mind yet this is what needs to happen. We must keep climbing with the breaths of this lifetime for then our future ancestors will lift off the peak and roam the stars. We need to band together with a set up that will require some vast planning behind its simple appearance. I have my goal. It is set. I must save over the hills of time to pave my way upto this mountain’s peak if I am to truely survive. Lucky for me, I needednt much climbing actually., most of the work will be when I get there, building from the foundations of its potentiality! 2000 days is its max. 1000 is my minimum. Of course, having two days off for every five. Putting away 200 dollers per week within 3 years I will have 40,000 and if it was 6 i could get 100,000. However, So I have worked, 1000 days (40,000 dollers @ 200 per week) of savings is enough for me with room for food while the gardens are being crafted. That is: 12-20k for half an acre each (this land will have to be special and inclusive of a dammable mountain stream of permanent nature, around half an acre each being quarter for food,quarter for trade/barter, C: I plan to sell tobacco, in a free world, we could also trade marijuana for milk, steak, luxuries we cannot attain through our hopefully vast forest of diversity!?) 5000 for clumps of charging deep cycle marine batteries that should be able to cycle enough electricity between four, 500 for materials to build enough water wheels for them to be plenty for four (this price can be lowered), perhaps 1000 per person for two or maybie three permanent magnet alternators per person ( this generates the electricity at each wheel) 12-20k for a house for yourself depending how good you want to make it, 15k is plenty for a what they call a mini house for one or two; 5000 for food perhaps while setting up your garden/forest, and 600 perhaps to begin with for the gardens?  Hmm so we are looking at a total cost per person of around *drum solo*

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15,000 + 1250 + 125 + 1000 + 15,000 + 5000 + 600 = 37975

hopefully half an acre + deep cycle marine batteries + water wheels materials + permanent magnet alternators + money to build and wire a room and a kitchens worth of a house + 5000 for food whilst establishing some forest garden + money for seeds = 37975

 

Will need money for seed raising mix, some compost to begin with, perhaps some tools ! :s You get my picture :D?

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oh my god, i am so gonna make pancakes with maple syrup when im done ^u^

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Not only will I need to find land where there is a perennial mountain stream running through it, but to make things as cheap as possible, this land will need to be fairly small in cost/size, one to two acres split between four people I plan, this makes it all the more difficult to find somebody selling one or two acres with a perennial mountain stream running through it! Wont you join me, on the perennial quest?

Perennial Quest

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or, having a powerful enough perennial stream running through your property,  you could dam it in segments and have more than one water wheel charging a group of batteries each, that you manually replace,.. or having a water wheel powered water pump located at a more powerful part of the stream up river, this main pump could then pump water down several channels, a waterwheel at the end of each channel, running side by side under big waterfall, so that you can have your electricity generating waterwheels close to each other, and close to your house, where you will be using the electricity,.. or something, hmm

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